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Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:26:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Jump Buoy wrote:Brock Nelson wrote:I don't know, you tell me. Look at the market, figure out how much you'll get from selling refined mineral vs compressing ores. The market has not had time to adjust I am wondering if it will become more profitable. Depends on how null sec responds to all of this. Not much need to use compressed ore in high sec. Will null sec production increase beyond Null's improved mining and refining ability? Time will tell.
The vast majority of lowend minerals are bought by (super)cap builders.
They want it compressed.
Besides, compression costs roughly nothing (one hour of fuel blocks per one session of compressing), compress, try to sell and if you see raw mins somehow selling for more, you can always refine the compressed ore for sale as minerals.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:16:00 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:Jump Buoy wrote:With the new changes to refining will it be more profitable to compress ore to sell rather than refine? Null sec builders will be seeking replacement for compression modules such as 425mm rails. It doesn't necessarily follow that they will want compressed ore. Instead I would think they will buy ore and compress it themselves. It depends if the price of compressed ore from the market is cheaper than compressing ore in a compression array.
No. Hauling all that uncompressed raw ore to a POS for compressing requires :effort: (and a POS near location of the Ore)
Price difference has to be major before a supercap builder will do it himself.
I fully expect Compressed to always be more expensive than raw ore. Also allows a "mini profession" of sorts - someone freightering full loads of ore from market to POS, compress, resell. No costs beyond sales taxes and trivial fuel costs at POS + time (which so many highsec dwellers value at 0).
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Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia
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Posted - 2014.07.27 14:06:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:If we assume ore mining is dispersed around all of eve, that super builders aren't especially into doing a shitton of freighter work, that random highsec mining corps don't typically mine and hoard tens of billions of ore at a time and that people are not inclined to haul unprocessed ore to Jita then the problem remains "who the **** do you buy a titan worth of ore off of?". If you buy it off of 30 different groups in 30 different areas then you'll be moving your POS around to compress it in each area.
There is not a central market system for raw ore because raw ore is a ***** to move. There is not a local market system for enough raw ore because super manufacturers need a shitton of it.
The market will adjust.
Compressed ore will be so much more valuable that there will be raw ore buy orders all over the EVE by pilots who compress & haul it to Jita for supercap builders to buy and JF out to null.
Also any large mining op will probably compress it themselves just for easing the delivery to market. All you need is a small POS and a compression module somewhere near your mining op. Trivial.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.07.27 15:00:00 -
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Salpad wrote:X ATM092 wrote:excluding any short term variance compressed ore will always be worth more, it has the same innate value and massively greater utility True, but you need to move the ore to a POS before you can compress it, and AFAIK the compressing facility has a very limited volume. And moving uncompressed ore is difficult as it's so bulky. Now, if it becomes possible to compress ore in a station... Party time, man!!!
No, the compressing facility can take something like 20 freighter loads and its literally "click, stuff goes small, room for another 20 freighter loads".
Hauling is the problem, not the compression facility.
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2014.08.11 05:41:00 -
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Thank you for doing what efficient markets should be doing. The "slack" from ore market is rapidly gone.
But there is still money to be made. You just need to move to buy orders.
The price disparity between ore and compressed ore is always going to be around. Whoever can be bothered by the :effort: of compressing it will make ISK. Not a huge load of it, but reasonable considering this is risk-free high sec stuff that can be done by anyone with a Freighter and an alt corp, plus some POS equipment.
Just pick a central system with miners around you, plop down your POS, buy ore from the nearby systems 2-3 jumps in every direction, compress, haul to Jita. Profit. |
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